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▲Bleached corals thrive within days when touching healthy neighbour (nature.com)
skew-aberration 8 hours ago [-]
Coral gets its color from algae called zooxanthellae, which it depends on for photosynthesis.

Bleaching is actually due to the coral expelling those algae. Bleached corals are not dead, and remarkably they can not only let the algae in again but can also select a different algae species to cultivate (changing colour in the process)!.

This is thought to be a deliberate survival strategy to optimize the species of algae under different conditions (Adaptive Bleaching Hypothesis).

Bleaching is caused by the same stressors (like high temperature) which kill coral, but bleaching itself is not death of the coral.

JumpCrisscross 6 hours ago [-]
> Bleaching is actually due to the coral expelling those algae

Due to the coral or due to the algae? Put another way, could we engineer UV resistance into the algae?

booi 6 hours ago [-]
It's not UV that's the problem but heat. We could possibly cultivate algae that are more heat resistant?
skew-aberration 6 hours ago [-]
I'm not an expert, but yes we can and we do.

And so does the coral!

If a species of algae cannot handle high temperatures without generating chemicals like hydrogen peroxide which trigger the bleaching, then that species is ejected sooner and more frequently during warmer months, creating selective pressure for species that can.

To survive these conditions without getting ejected, the algae need to essentially run their photosynthesis process more slowly. They produce less chlorophyll per cell and create sacrificial 'photoprotective carotenoid pigments' which act like sunscreen and dissipate that potential sunlight energy as useless heat (coral has a few tricks too fluorescent proteins).

So the coral is actually in a delicate balancing act, selecting the most aggressive/productive algae which won't also try to kill it during summer. Corals will learn to be more conservative in their selection and algae will get more conservative themselves. We want this process to happen quickly enough so that we don't lose coral coverage and diversity in the coming decades / centuries, but we can be confident that on longer timescales the coral will adapt, assuming we don't get runaway warming.

dillydogg 6 hours ago [-]
This is actually in process, though my understanding is that it doesn't seem to keep up with the pace of ocean temperature rise.

https://www.npr.org/2024/04/17/1245085914/coral-reefs-bleach...

velaislands 3 hours ago [-]
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anakaine 9 hours ago [-]
Having been a diver on the Great Barrier Reef numerous times, the scale of bleaching events means that there is often no non-bleached neighbour for vast distances. Healthy propagation rarely occurs before the brown sludge sets in, then its game over.
verelo 9 hours ago [-]
This kills me. I saw the reef for the first time around 2007. I went back twice, and the last time I was there (2017) I honestly couldn't believe what I saw. Wasteland? An under water desert? I don't have words for it, but I don't really want to go back because it hit me so hard. Our planet is dying and we're sitting here debating why/who and not doing anywhere near enough to fix it.

I'm so glad we have space rockets, flying cars and drone warfare...but I'd trade it all in for the reef to come back.

ChadNauseam 8 hours ago [-]
> I'm so glad we have space rockets, flying cars and drone warfare...but I'd trade it all in for the reef to come back.

It's really just climate change. (Ocean warming is what causes bleaching.) Luckily, since the 80s we've had the technology to generate energy without releasing greenhouse gases. I wish more people knew about the harms caused by climate change because maybe if they were they'd be more interested in preventing them.

peterfirefly 24 minutes ago [-]
> Luckily, since the 80s we've had the technology to generate energy without releasing greenhouse gases.

Longer. Nuclear power tech was pretty good in the 60s (outside of the Soviet Union).

Nition 8 hours ago [-]
I feel like the harms were really drilled into Millennials like myself but then we seem to have assumed that younger Gen Zs and gen Alpha will just receive the climate change wisdom via osmosis or maybe if we're lucky, their parents. I've seen more people worrying about under-population (under population! Remember over-population?) than the environment recently. Maybe we need to bring Captain Planet back.
zanderwohl 7 hours ago [-]
To be fair, overpopulation was never an actual concern. Since the 1800s, food production growth rates have outpaced population growth rates. Underpopulation _is_ a concern when infrastructure and social structures may not be able contract quickly enough to sustain our current quality of life.
adrianN 2 hours ago [-]
As long as the population depends on non-renewable resources, technically any population size is overpopulation. With the technology we currently use our population levels can't be sustained for very long.
lukeify 6 hours ago [-]
Don't worry, overpopulation will come back as a concern when we get massive crop collapse due to climate change.
asdf88990 4 hours ago [-]
You can see all the bad things about modern cultivation but lack of resistance to climate change isn’t one.

Yes, for many swaths and types of traditional agriculture and fishing it will be doom, but this conversation isn’t about local ecosystem but global food production vs population growth.

Food production was never a problem, supply and management is.

Nition 7 hours ago [-]
The food scarcity concern was certainly overblown, I was thinking more about the environmental concern.
dylan604 7 hours ago [-]
GenZ and GenAlpha are yet to reach a point where they can do anything about it. Boomers are still making decisions and there's plenty of GenXers that are still clinging to the myth concept.

Until the Boomers finish ageing out and GenZ/A grow up to take the reins, the status quo stays

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adrr 6 hours ago [-]
They don't have low turn out in general elections and almost non existent during the elections that matter the most, the primaries. Boomers are reliable vote so they pick the candidates and elect the candidates.
dylan604 5 hours ago [-]
Sounds like you're agreeing that GenZ/GenA need to do some more growing up to me.
rcxdude 5 hours ago [-]
Well, they could do more about it now, but it's the classic 'young people don't turn out to vote' issue.
lesuorac 36 minutes ago [-]
They’ll vote for a candidate they feel interested in.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_New_York_City_mayoral_ele...

MajorTakeaway 7 hours ago [-]
I really think that Disney shit really fucked your head up, NGL Gen Y.
Nition 7 hours ago [-]
You don't have to trust a kids' show, that's just to help build general awareness. The proof is clear enough in rising CO2 levels, global average temperatures, ocean heat content etc.

The power is yours.

dylan604 7 hours ago [-]
To me, the proof things can change was during the lock downs and saw how quickly things changed once all of the automobile pollution approached zero.
arjie 7 hours ago [-]
Well, it's not the space rockets etc. that do this. It's the single-family homes with large yards with no apartment buildings nearby, and the ability to not look at wind turbines, and the community that we have managed to cultivate by living in our own detached homes. The things you have to trade to get the reef back are not usually the things you want to trade. Otherwise, we could happily trade those things. It's not like there are that many people making space rockets, after all. The hard part is giving up the things you want, like personal delivery food or a large car with a big road that has no traffic, or a large yard that you water, or living in the forest with two day delivery.
dalyons 5 hours ago [-]
We don’t really have to give these things up now though, renewable energy and EVs can guve us all this for no emissions. We for the first time ever, have the technology.

We just aren’t applying it fast enough for terrible & lazy reasons.

mikepurvis 8 hours ago [-]
That's horrifying to hear. I also went on a multi day dive trip at gbr and the coral sea in 2007 and it was spectacular; I can't imagine going back and seeing it degraded.
djtango 3 hours ago [-]
Last I looked into this the reef was showing signs of recovery and when I was in Okinawa I saw that a man there has been breeding corals that are more resilient to warmer waters
14 30 minutes ago [-]
Our planet is not actually dying or anything close to dying. It is however rapidly changing and may reach a point where the planet is no longer survivable to humans, but life will go on without us. I get your point though and yes it is sad that we as a species have largely ignored the impact of our actions at the cost of our planet.
kbutler 9 hours ago [-]
Happy to report the northern and central GBR coral cover is currently higher than any time measured before 2020. Southern is currently below its long-term average, but 2024 was a record high in coral cover.

https://www.aims.gov.au/monitoring-great-barrier-reef/gbr-co...

This doesn't mean everything is fine, but it is doing way better than 2017.

grosswait 8 hours ago [-]
Wow, I wasn’t aware of this. I’ve always read climate change as the primary driver for bleaching. If that is the case, do we know why/how they’ve recovered?
skew-aberration 7 hours ago [-]
Corals are killed en masse by other events, particularly cyclones. These have a much bigger affect on coral coverage, in the short term, than ocean temperatures / bleaching (which is transient and more localized).

Bleaching is not death of the coral, it is the expulsion of algae (typically in high temperatures). The coral can find a different species of algae, or the algae can return once temperatures drop.

There are corals living in regions of the ocean with different temperatures, so it is not that high temperature alone would kill all coral, but populations adapted to a given region (like north vs south GBR) are being affected by the speed of the changes.

mi_lk 8 hours ago [-]
I wonder if coral coverage is a meaningful stat itself. Does that directly translate to diversified creatures?

Was in central GBR this year, can't say I'm super impressed but not sure how I should set my expectation

skew-aberration 7 hours ago [-]
Not necessarily but they do measure diversity too, and it has not changed dramatically.

Typically the biggest change in diversity is due to cyclones which kill of the delicate and fast-growing corals like staghorns, which are also the fastest to grow back.

richardw 6 hours ago [-]
Surely the 2026 El Niño is going to drive hotter GBR temperatures?
ryandrake 9 hours ago [-]
> Our planet is dying and we're sitting here debating why/who and not doing anywhere near enough to fix it.

If only we were just debating why/who! Thanks to Social Media, filter bubbles, and “alternative facts,” we are back to debating whether it is actually even happening or not.

throwaway2037 4 hours ago [-]
Why did you go three times? It is overpriced. Diving in Indonesia is much cheaper, and is less affected by bleaching.
verelo 4 hours ago [-]
Grew up in Australia, live in Canada. It’s just fun to stop up on the north before meeting up with family down south, gives me time to adjust and get some solo vacation time.
defterGoose 53 minutes ago [-]
I mean this in the kindest way possible...stop being glad about that stuff. It's technobabble nonsense. It's not cool, innovative, or even truly productive. The "we can fly a rocket backward" shit is so boilerplate obviously iterative from a physics perspective. It's a mistake to be happy for these peoples' achievements anymore and it's old news.

This is the only planet we'll ever meaningfully have and we're killing it for "eternal" growth.

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

Nux 9 hours ago [-]
"The planet is fine, the people are fscked!"
Henchman21 9 hours ago [-]
"The Industrial Revolution and it's consequences have been a disaster for the human race -- and every other living being on the planet as well."
actionfromafar 8 hours ago [-]
At least we are owning the libs.
mannanj 8 hours ago [-]
How many humans are worth restoring the coral reef?

Because it’s nice to say these things in Sentiment, until you see past the naïveté to see human lives are what cause the wear and extraction on the environment. Humans live, eat, shit in, consume their environment for their lives.

How many humans are worth restoring the reef for you? And would you sacrifice your own friends and family?

verelo 8 hours ago [-]
This is an absurd remark.

You don’t need to sacrifice humans, you need humans to behave different. Do you know the energy requirements that go into war? The chemical, carbon and physical changes to the ocean from all we do?

We don’t need to kill more humans, we just need to stop being fucking idiots for a few hundred years.

jibalt 1 hours ago [-]
Sorry, but the ignorance and intellectual dishonesty of that comment is too thick to even warrant rebutting.
trombuance 2 hours ago [-]
The GBR is huge. Are you sure you visited the exact same spot (confirmed by GPS coordinates from the trip back in 2007)?

Anecdotally I was also there around 2006/2007 - somewhere near Cairns - and the part I saw was esentially dead, not just bleached. It really depends on where you go.

Btw since many in this thread mention ocean warming I want to mention that after having followed this for many years, and observed changes first hand in different parts of the world, my conclusion is that the main factor is direct human influence, not something more abstract like global warming. Especially water pollution as a result of agriculture, unchecked population growth and tourism.

One of the problems is all the people who say they love the reefs want to go where the reefs are still intact, after other parts have already been destroyed. Which then puts even more pressure on those last remaining healthy reef systems. Just talk to divers and listen to the exotic locations they travel to these days. I think many aren't even aware they're part of the problem. Or maybe they subconsciously shift the blame. Reefs are usually healthiest where there are no or very few people around.

jibalt 2 hours ago [-]
Global warming is not "abstract", and IS the main factor according to exhaustive data from the Great Barrier Reef Marine Park Authority (GBRMPA) and the Australian Institute of Marine Science (AIMS).
aaron695 7 hours ago [-]
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Okkef 11 hours ago [-]
Only if they are clones - genetically identical. So not much use in practice, unfortunately.
smallerize 11 hours ago [-]
I think the article says they just haven't tested other cases. I wouldn't expect the symbiotic microalgae to be that picky.

Edit - The article makes Okkef's point, I just missed it.

ceejayoz 10 hours ago [-]
The article says otherwise.

> Fragments from different species and even different animals of the same species did not fuse together, and so did not nurse the bleached piece back to health.

skew-aberration 7 hours ago [-]
High temperatures affect the algae itself. Transferring the algae to another live coral (bleached coral is alive) a) already happens in nature, if conditions return to normal b) does not protect the algae
kulahan 10 hours ago [-]
Sounds like a solution is still well within our reach. Normally I wouldn’t suggest something as extreme as using cloning techniques to restore wild creatures, but of course it was extreme actions that got us here in the first place, so I think this balances it out.
deadbabe 10 hours ago [-]
We don’t use cloning enough IMO.
linuskendall 10 hours ago [-]
We use cloning plenty - most fruits we eat are clones, and it has some drawbacks (see Cavendish bananas).
idontwantthis 11 hours ago [-]
We could create a bank of coral clones tagged to each individual location.
ghastmaster 8 hours ago [-]
Of note: This only occurred for fragments taken from an individual of the same genetic makeup(genet: basic meaning is they are a colony). Presumably, it would be difficult to recreate this at scale in the wild. I did not read past the free to read portion of the article that mentions scaling this is possible. I am curious about the methodology of that.

I find it strange that the first observance of this was a year ago, especially given how rapidly it occurs. Coral bleaching has probably been studied since the 80s when major events started being noticed. If Stephen Palumbi is reading this, I would love to read why you think it took so long.

edit: I would wager this is only the first published observance.

mochizou 2 hours ago [-]
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Glyptodon 3 hours ago [-]
So does this mean sicking refrigeration islands in key locations will be the way to stop permanent coral bleaching?
fosterfriends 11 hours ago [-]
Some good news :) anything to bring back coral reefs
0c3ca83 9 hours ago [-]
Anything but reducing the amount of fossil fuels we burn.
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kylehotchkiss 10 hours ago [-]
My first thought when reading the headline... horizontal gene transfer?
irq-1 8 hours ago [-]
> My first thought when reading the headline...

Conways game of life.

formvoltron 6 hours ago [-]
awesome. so we can recover the coral to have them die the next summer's heatwave. time to solve global warming!
nomel 10 hours ago [-]
> This incredible new result

Only if you've never talked to anyone remotely involved with propagating coral, including those in the saltwater fish-tank community!

dang 3 hours ago [-]
Hey! If you know more than others, which it sounds like you do, can you please share some of what you know, so the rest of us can learn? If you only post a putdown of people who know less than you, it just makes the thread mean and the rest of us don't get to learn anything.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

nomel 1 hours ago [-]
I appreciate the correction.

This is literal, partly how the guy down the street, at your local saltwater aquarium shop, keeps supply in stock. This is grafting/cloning from fragments, boring coral propagation, widely done for many decades. It only works very quickly for some coral though (there are over 1000 known).

Nobody involved with any of this consulted a marine biologist with a rudimentary understanding of coral, or the guy propagating it for a living down the road.

How did I know this? I did a report on coral when I was a kid.

kortex 51 minutes ago [-]
This sounds like propagation of algae from unbleached to bleached coral, not colonization of skeletal structure.

> Nobody involved with any of this consulted a marine biologist with a rudimentary understanding of coral

Hmm.

> Stephen Palumbi: Jane and Marshall Steel Jr. Professor of Marine Sciences, Professor of Oceans and of Biology

https://profiles.stanford.edu/stephen-palumbi?releaseVersion...

You sure he doesnt have even a rudimentary understanding of coral? Did you read the paper? I'm going to assume the marine biologist publishing papers has at least some idea on corals, unless give a good reason to doubt it.

dcrazy 10 hours ago [-]
I remember hearing that the concern with our best techniques for rescuing coral reefs is that they would create a monoculture, and monocultures tend to be very susceptible to specific diseases.
velaislands 3 hours ago [-]
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socraticnoise 10 hours ago [-]
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chiefwilsion 11 hours ago [-]
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asjkff 11 hours ago [-]
Could this also, have anything to do with, Nikola Tesla's resonance theory on dark matter and consciousness, in play in living matter?

More intelligent individuals should look more into this field.

tcdent 11 hours ago [-]
I'm all about the concepts you're presenting, but care to elaborate on how you think the corals relate?
asjkff 10 hours ago [-]
Disclaimer: I am still finding my way in life, so take this theory with a grain of salt.

New age movement, claim everything on earth is actually a hologram of the universe, experiencing itself.

So perhaps, just being in close proximity with another coral, the hologram frequency was now more in tuned.

rbn3 10 hours ago [-]
Since you mentioned you’re still finding your way in life: please be aware that the appeal of a lot of new age and „woo“ is that the act of noticing a pattern in nature, that feeling of „aaah NOW it makes sense“ is inherently pleasant and can become something you chase like a drug. These frameworks or schools of thought can provide a steady source of that feeling without necessarily being tethered to reality at all. Kind of like acid - very fun at times but catastrophic if you make it a core part of your identity.
hmokiguess 8 hours ago [-]
Well said, I have found myself in this place before in life and it can be quite dangerous
jakzurr 4 hours ago [-]
Perhaps that explains my "amazing" (well, occasionally) dreams. TG it's not every night.
Terr_ 7 hours ago [-]
Slightly Related: Beware any community which insists you show "loyalty" by doing things that burn-bridges so that nobody else will be your friend. Trapping you is how cults and abusive-relationships work.
hmokiguess 10 hours ago [-]
Why would the frequency of the healthy one win over the frequency of the non-healthy one though? I assume both would have their own frequencies, are you implying there's an order or tendency across frequencies?
asjkff 10 hours ago [-]
Same reason, stem cells repair damage body cells, I guess.

I am just glad coral can repair themselves.

Thumbs up to the researcher.

hmokiguess 10 hours ago [-]
I am just trying to understand your ideas and riff on them

Cells are complex organisms and contain programming in their nature so we can more easily trace and understand its reasons

A frequency is something a lot more raw than a cell

asjkff 10 hours ago [-]
I will repeat this for the last time. I am not an expert in the field.

"programming in their nature" means they have a range of frequency, like a radio? perharps.

Nevertheless, thumbs up to the researcher. Positive vibes.

willy_k 8 hours ago [-]
My interpretation is “Programming in their nature” -> their being, meaning the molecular structure that defines them, is a program, a complex program, one executed by the interpreter that is physics.
hmokiguess 8 hours ago [-]
I'm not quite following your defensive style of writing. What's up with that?

Do you believe only experts can contribute to discussions and ideas? Are you afraid of sounding "dumb"?

No question/idea is stupid and it's okay to be wrong or to learn something by putting yourself out there!

lovemenot 7 hours ago [-]
Not the person you are replying to. I guess they feel somewhat humiliated. There can sometimes be a fine line between scientific curiosity and the appearance of bullying. Common courtesy suggests we should back off whenever we feel that might be applicable.
hmokiguess 7 hours ago [-]
I was asking with the intent to make them comfortable though I get your point
willy_k 6 hours ago [-]
As an ex-prefacer, imo it’s a hedge against the nudging recognition that the thought being hedged is based on a pyramid of iffy connections (usually more word-of-mouth type “science”), rather than an articulable, concrete a->b->c.
hmokiguess 5 hours ago [-]
ngl, I did not understand what you said
willy_k 5 hours ago [-]
Edited, is that clearer?
hmokiguess 5 hours ago [-]
I think so though not sure I get your point with that

Do you mean to say that pseudoscience topics are perceived negatively?

willy_k 9 hours ago [-]
You might be interested in Catholic theology + philosophy. It takes a LOT of background, and a lot of time to accumulate it, but you clearly have some already, and once you get comfortable with reframing terms that have a lot of societal baggage attached to simpler, honest understandings (for example, God, as a sky dude vs the universe as a mind), you can go so far.
aappleby 10 hours ago [-]
No. Tesla's resonance theory has nothing to do with dark matter, consciousness, or living matter.
patmorgan23 9 hours ago [-]
No that's ridiculous woo woo. It's just that some of the symbiotic algae from the healthy coral transfer over to feed and revive the sick coral.
clockwork-grape 10 hours ago [-]
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