One of the things they seem to be emphasizing here is the UX around being able to place specific elements where you want them in an image. If the positions of the components in the overall composition are very important, this seems to make that a lot easier and kind of reminds me of InvokeAI.
Ideogram V4, an open-weight model released back in June can also do this [1], but you have to use a relatively cumbersome JSON structure to describe all the different bounding boxes. So it’s definitely a bit of a hassle.
I'll probably be waiting until it goes open-weight (hopefully soon) like they did with Flux.2 / Klein.
You just get an LLM to do the bounding box stuff or use the ComfyUI node that provides a GUI for bounding box generation
vunderba 2 hours ago [-]
Yeah, given how much better Ideogram v4 outputs are when you use the proper structured JSON (background, elements, etc.) I think most users probably have stuck some kind of Qwen/Gemma-based LLM between their raw prompt and the CLIP encoder.
CuriouslyC 2 hours ago [-]
I always hated Comfy's node based UI, but agents make it tolerable. Now I just have them set up a workflow and I go in and tweak it manually if the results aren't where I want them. I even have agents cherry doing multiple runs and cherry picking the best outputs, models have gotten good enough that it's a real time saver, assuming you have references they can and a rubric to check against.
popalchemist 1 hours ago [-]
Ideogram 4.5 released 2 days ago with more features along these lines
This isn't much of a test, but I bought $10 in credits on their playground and generated a test image. Not bad, but it didn't get the accordion keyboard right. Haven't tried editing yet.
The UX looks amazing and very steerable, congrats to the team for focusing on the interface.
Chats can be awful user interfaces.
gAI 1 hours ago [-]
Love to see an AI lab outside of US/China releasing good models.
armcat 2 hours ago [-]
Does anyone know if it can be used to generate accurate frame-by-frame sprite sequences? I found that no image model can do this well (with sufficient fidelity) - neither with one shot (full spritesheet), nor single frame conditioning. It would be great if an imagegen model could do this. What I do now (I use my own tool https://github.com/acatovic/ai-game-studio) is basically generate a reference image, then condition on that image to generate a very short video, then extract and prune frames. Then I get indie-level sprite fidelity about 90% of the time.
popalchemist 1 hours ago [-]
The task you're describing is a video model task, not an image model task. It's inherently temporal.
Generate a sprite in an image editor, then use a video model to make the loop you want; then turn the resulting video back into individual sprite images.
armcat 26 minutes ago [-]
Sure and that's what I do, but a video can be seen as a causal generation on discreet sequence of images, each image conditioned on the one before it. It can also be seen as a series of image editing tasks. It would be cool to get this working in imagegen because of the amount of control you would get. Right now with video generation you can at best specify start and end frame and hope for the best.
popalchemist 39 seconds ago [-]
Image edit models can probably do a grid, but the temporal accuracy / coherence will never match what a video model, which is really a world model, can do.
vergessenmir 2 hours ago [-]
I think we are all waiting for the open weights or local model releases.
pixelesque 2 hours ago [-]
Has that been announced?
The website mentions:
> FLUX 3 Image is available under a commercial weights license for companies running image generation at scale. Fine-tune and deploy it on your own infrastructure. Reach out to us to learn more.
I guess the open ones would be non-commercial?
JimDabell 52 minutes ago [-]
> Open Weights version of FLUX 3 Image is launching in the coming weeks.
There's been an increasing trend of previously-open-weight models going closed-source once they reach a certain size (and size is proportional to capital investment). That the latest release will be open-weight is not necessarily a given just because the previous one was.
For a moment I was confused that this was a release of a new stable diffusion. What happened with Stable Diffusion?
yorwba 15 minutes ago [-]
Some of the original developers left Stability AI to found Black Forest Labs (so in a sense this is a successor to Stable Diffusion) and Stability AI pivoted to audio and milking their existing models.
Trufa 2 hours ago [-]
So much negativity as usual and so little talk about the product, this is pretty impressive, well done, it seems to be filling decently a gap that everyone that has worked enough generating images with AI has faced.
doctorpangloss 50 minutes ago [-]
there basically isn't any authentic use for image generation, i would hardly say the negativity is unfounded
KazaNLP 2 hours ago [-]
Agreed with other comments about the UX. I'm more interested in that than the model itself. Would like to start seeing UI like this where you get to choose the model and compare different models. Can't jump all over the internet to each model developers sandbox just to test their models. Doing it from one place would be nice.
neals 3 hours ago [-]
It's this a new model or a new ui?
assimpleaspossi 2 hours ago [-]
I shouldn't have to scroll all the way down, click to use the thing, then fumble around to figure out what this does. It should be clear at the top of the first page (so I know right away that I don't need this).
Mashimo 5 minutes ago [-]
> Just write a prompt.
Text-to-image with strong prompt following and a native understanding of composition.
How is this not clear?
thorum 1 hours ago [-]
Not sure what you mean. The top of the linked page is a video showing the product being used. Immediately below are the words “Compose images from scratch” and more examples, followed by “Text-to-image with strong prompt following and a native understanding of composition.” This is all within the first 100 words of content on the page.
richardfulop 2 hours ago [-]
It is a version 3 of a product.If you actually used or needed these, you would have known right away what this is and how it works.
nazgulsenpai 2 hours ago [-]
Unless the version 3 announcement is your onboarding point, like it is for me just now. I can go research FLUX from here, but the original poster's point still holds.
assimpleaspossi 39 minutes ago [-]
But I don't use it or need it and wasted my time trying to figure out what it did. Clarity should be up front.
fuzzythrowaway 2 hours ago [-]
I like the interface; very useful for some use cases that would otherwise be quite frustrating. Dislike that it's yet another platform held back by arbitrary moderation. You can't make a bicycle for the mind that locks if you try to ride it in the wrong direction.
> We will open up an early access phase for FLUX 3 Image in the following weeks.
Not sure if there was a separate post for early access or if they just skipped to this.
reilly3000 19 hours ago [-]
That sort of steering ability that has been possible with the latest Gemini releases has been nice to work with over previous generations. It’s great to see this improve on the platform with declarative controls built into the API and coming soon as an open model.
amelius 1 hours ago [-]
Yes, you can do that with AI now.
Grimblewald 20 hours ago [-]
looks cool, eternally greatful these models are marked for open weight releases. Pretty excited
imgbenchdude 10 minutes ago [-]
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myself248 2 hours ago [-]
Unrelated to the flux images used for floppy disk archiving? Sigh.
pizzafeelsright 2 hours ago [-]
Every new piece of software needs a name.
Flux is in the top 9000 of the most common words.
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Ideogram V4, an open-weight model released back in June can also do this [1], but you have to use a relatively cumbersome JSON structure to describe all the different bounding boxes. So it’s definitely a bit of a hassle.
I'll probably be waiting until it goes open-weight (hopefully soon) like they did with Flux.2 / Klein.
[1] - https://docs.ideogram.ai/using-ideogram/getting-started/prom...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mecWZgbaEg
https://pages.skybrian.com/flux3-image-test/
Chats can be awful user interfaces.
Generate a sprite in an image editor, then use a video model to make the loop you want; then turn the resulting video back into individual sprite images.
The website mentions:
> FLUX 3 Image is available under a commercial weights license for companies running image generation at scale. Fine-tune and deploy it on your own infrastructure. Reach out to us to learn more.
I guess the open ones would be non-commercial?
— https://x.com/bfl_ai/status/2105734605621825738
https://bfl.ai/legal/non-commercial-license-terms
How is this not clear?
What's new from the last post? GA?
> We will open up an early access phase for FLUX 3 Image in the following weeks.
Not sure if there was a separate post for early access or if they just skipped to this.
Flux is in the top 9000 of the most common words.