Buttocks aside, it's a nice picture - maybe more elegant then Bliss. But it's a lot less bright and happy. I'm glad they went with Bliss in the end, for whatever reason.
mghackerlady 23 hours ago [-]
Red Moon Dessert would've clashed with the clown colours XP had going on
bombcar 22 hours ago [-]
It’d’ve been a great background for a red mars inspired alternate theme.
amelius 15 hours ago [-]
Also the moon would be hidden between the icons, which always aligned on the left side by default.
garbawarb 20 hours ago [-]
Appropriately the photographer's name is O'Rear.
throwup238 19 hours ago [-]
(It’s the same photographer as Bliss)
s20n 23 hours ago [-]
The name didn't help much either, I suppose.
11 hours ago [-]
solarkraft 20 hours ago [-]
> Microsoft said they wanted not just to license the image for use as Windows XP's default wallpaper, but to buy all the rights to it. They offered O'Rear what he says is the second-largest payment ever made to a photographer for a single image
> "I don't think the engineers or anybody at Microsoft had any idea it would have the success it had
They also flew him out to deliver it. I feel like they had an idea of what they had.
theandrewbailey 1 days ago [-]
I work in the refurb department of an e-waste recycling company. I take pictures of monitors and TVs showing Bliss, and I test printers with it. It has bright spots, dark spots, it's colorful, and has plenty of fine detail, making it a decent test picture. Bonus points for being familiar to most people.
Microsoft Design also released 4K renders of nostalgic wallpapers (including bliss) a few years ago. I can't find the original link but here's the reddit post with the pictures.
Back when Deep Learning wasn't just LLMs and diffusion models (approximately 5y ago), for my senior project at uni I did a image animation. In goes an image, out comes a short gif. It was trained via (reverse) optical flow.
I used this image for a demo how clouds move and the audience+professors all went WOOOW and that is now a core memory of mine
ruralfam 19 hours ago [-]
It appears MSFT never wanted to see the image used outside of Windows. Would be interesting to know if had been sold as a stock image by either Westlight or Corbis, and if so what the licensing terms were. Let's assume someone did pay for rights to use when it was available open stock. Did MSFT contact each purchaser and buy their rights ?? Not saying that happened. I have, though, purchased many images over the years via image sellers, and have seen many of those images pulled by the photographer. Called the stock agency to check, and yes my rights are "...in perpetuity".
bluebxrry 15 hours ago [-]
I'm pretty sure Age of Empires II uses Bliss as the background for the Watch Tower icon. You can see the rolling green hills in the back.
enthdegree 21 hours ago [-]
Does anyone have any idea what RZ67 lens was used? People have found the exact hill and from this one might be able to figure out from what perspective it was captured, thus which focal length it was shot at. I haven't found anyone who has done this, only vague, unconvincing speculation. Maybe confounders like fact that it is now covered by a vineyard and erosion long since changed the shape of the hillsides makes this impossible.
ventana 16 hours ago [-]
Windows XP was released when I was in college, and I remember discussing this picture with my friends guessing where it could've been taken. Never thought about California back then, let alone moving there.
A little bit less than twenty years later, few years after moving to the US, my family and I were driving somewhere near Sonoma, CA, enjoying the views, and someone in the car said something like that this looks like that Windows background. Quick check with Google, and sure enough, we were less than a mile away. We didn't stop, but surely got some photos.
I would love to see the actual negative and the other shots he took at that location.
buildsjets 17 hours ago [-]
Velvia is a color slide film. There is no negative to see.
ranger_danger 1 days ago [-]
Isn't there debate in the community that this photo was actually altered and that he has been lying about it?
arrrg 1 days ago [-]
I’m a bit confused about the claim that the image was altered.
Sometimes skies look like that and grass looks like that and (the right) film is more than capable of capturing that with the appropriate saturation. Especially Velvia. Velvia is probably even cranking up the saturation, to levels you would not see like that with the naked eye.
Look at that first Tuscany image. The colors are a near perfect match. With the others the colors - especially the greens – can also be a lot more muted, however that seems to be down to darker greens as a starting point and also the light/weather (less saturation when it’s overcast and there is no direct light).
On close examination of the wallpaper (to a level of detail not visible on early 2000s screens) also shows all the hallmarks of a real photograph with remarkably little retouching.
On the left and especially the right you can see ugly clutter behind the hills which is only not distracting if you don’t examine the photo to closely. Anyone who photographs landscapes knows the issue of hard to hide clutter that nevertheless from my perspective also grounds the photograph in the real world.
Also clearly visible on the hills: tracks/paths through the hills. This is also something hard to avoid in landscape photography, though you try to minimize it with perspective. The same applies as to the clutter: my view is that this grounds the photograph as an actual photo.
Third hallmark of photography: the foreground grass is all out of focus! This is often hard to avoid. Techniques like focus stacking now exist, but as a single photograph that is often a trade off you have to make if your landscape shows both things close by and far away.
So, yeah, looks 100% like a real photograph and shows what a look Velvia is, mostly.
zamadatix 19 hours ago [-]
https://archive.is/D0FOH "Microsoft did admit to darkening the green hill" in the caption for image 1 (Bliss).
Based on the borders of the image shown being extended from the actual wallpaper file (take a close look at the top and left) it was probably cropped as well.
It's entirely possible the color was edited by mistake (i.e. converted poorly) - IIRC the color profile on the tiff was not sRGB.
arrrg 17 hours ago [-]
It is interesting to consider what we talk about when we talk about whether an image was photoshopped because I do actually think that is a fuzzy line and different people may think of different things.
I always assumed this discussion was about exceedingly crass color shifts, the removal or creation of elements not in the original image, not some dodging and cropping.
TheOtherHobbes 21 hours ago [-]
It looks a little popped even for Velvia. He may not have enhanced it, but what are the odds no one at Microsoft did?
I always thought it was selected because it references the curve and most of the colours of the old Windows logo.
No clue if that exact image was altered, but I do a fair amount of road biking east of Napa and Sonoma, and on some days the sky and hills look just like the photo.
tecleandor 1 days ago [-]
Microsoft bought all the right and even the original physical film (that I guess they would scan to get the best image possible). So I guess then Microsoft would be on it too.
ginko 1 days ago [-]
It was shot on Velvia slide film. Knowing that emulsion you either expose it just right and it looks gorgeous or you over/underexpose and the details are gone and can’t be brought back.
bombcar 22 hours ago [-]
People don’t realize that there’s no such thing as an “unedited photo” because either you’re making decisions in the darkroom or the software/firmware is making decisions in the camera.
Arodex 22 hours ago [-]
And photographic film emulsions are already biased one way or another, because a photograph is a memory, and we don't remember colors accurately:
I always thought it was a synthetic image. I expect many others did too.
On some level, they chose the real image that appeared to be a synthetic image.
I stumbled onto MSN for a story about Bears in a sanctuary who had overhead ropes (horizontally laid), and what a difference it had made.
Actually, I don't remember the story that well. What I do remember is that MSN story used a GEN AI image. Fake bears, fake rope. There, of course, are real photos available.
But MS want that automation, dont want to pay writers, or editors, and don't want to pay royalties or seek permission for photographs.
Is this OK for your kids?
tedggh 23 hours ago [-]
How much did Bill Gates pay for Bliss?
ChatGPT:
“Microsoft paid photographer Charles O’Rear a confidential amount for the Windows XP wallpaper “Bliss,” but it is widely reported to have been in the “low six figures,” meaning over $100,000.”
Charles should have asked for MS stock instead.
“In 2005, Facebook offered David Choe about $60,000 to paint murals at its office. Instead of cash, he chose Facebook stock. When Meta Platforms went public in 2012, his shares were estimated to be worth around $200 million.”
MS was public at that time, he could have bought some directly.
butlike 20 hours ago [-]
The wikipedia says Microsoft acquired full rights after Bill Gate's Corbis acquired the photographers company, so that is a complete forgery/hallucination?
zamadatix 19 hours ago [-]
The Wikipedia article seems to say the same as above:
> O'Rear made it available as a stock photo through Westlight, which was bought by Bill Gates' Corbis in May 1998.[36][43] The photograph was initially titled Bucolic Green Hills.[42][44] By the time of its acquisition, Westlight was estimated to have been one of the largest stock photo agencies in the United States. Corbis had previously hired O'Rear to photograph wine auctions in Burgundy in 1995,[45] and after the acquisition, they digitized Westlight's images.[36] Microsoft contacted O'Rear through Corbis in 2000, wanting to buy full rights to the photograph.[40]: 3:37, 3:50 [6] O'Rear had to personally deliver the film to Microsoft in Seattle due to delivery services declining because of its high value. The Napa Valley Register reported that O'Rear was paid "in the low six figures".[6][40]: 3:57 He had signed a confidentiality agreement and cannot disclose the exact amount.[2][46] Microsoft renamed the photograph to Bliss and chose it as the default wallpaper of Windows XP.[6][37]
estimator7292 9 hours ago [-]
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Rendered at 11:37:05 GMT+0000 (UTC) with Wasmer Edge.
> "I don't think the engineers or anybody at Microsoft had any idea it would have the success it had
They also flew him out to deliver it. I feel like they had an idea of what they had.
Ironically, I only run Linux at work.
https://archive.org/details/bliss-600dpi
https://archive.org/download/theoriginalfilesofsomewindowswa... (47mb)
https://archive.org/details/theoriginalfilesofsomewindowswal...
https://www.reddit.com/r/windows/comments/ogpni5/microsoft_n...
https://youtu.be/nNuGetQ7f7s?si=5uAHFrwgnhuYapLT
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selfridges_Birmingham
I used this image for a demo how clouds move and the audience+professors all went WOOOW and that is now a core memory of mine
A little bit less than twenty years later, few years after moving to the US, my family and I were driving somewhere near Sonoma, CA, enjoying the views, and someone in the car said something like that this looks like that Windows background. Quick check with Google, and sure enough, we were less than a mile away. We didn't stop, but surely got some photos.
The actual place is a vineyard now.
Sometimes skies look like that and grass looks like that and (the right) film is more than capable of capturing that with the appropriate saturation. Especially Velvia. Velvia is probably even cranking up the saturation, to levels you would not see like that with the naked eye.
Here is a landscape photographer showing their own favorite Velvia photographs: https://www.macfilos.com/2022/12/02/vivid-velvia-ten-fujifil...
Look at that first Tuscany image. The colors are a near perfect match. With the others the colors - especially the greens – can also be a lot more muted, however that seems to be down to darker greens as a starting point and also the light/weather (less saturation when it’s overcast and there is no direct light).
On close examination of the wallpaper (to a level of detail not visible on early 2000s screens) also shows all the hallmarks of a real photograph with remarkably little retouching.
On the left and especially the right you can see ugly clutter behind the hills which is only not distracting if you don’t examine the photo to closely. Anyone who photographs landscapes knows the issue of hard to hide clutter that nevertheless from my perspective also grounds the photograph in the real world.
Also clearly visible on the hills: tracks/paths through the hills. This is also something hard to avoid in landscape photography, though you try to minimize it with perspective. The same applies as to the clutter: my view is that this grounds the photograph as an actual photo.
Third hallmark of photography: the foreground grass is all out of focus! This is often hard to avoid. Techniques like focus stacking now exist, but as a single photograph that is often a trade off you have to make if your landscape shows both things close by and far away.
So, yeah, looks 100% like a real photograph and shows what a look Velvia is, mostly.
Based on the borders of the image shown being extended from the actual wallpaper file (take a close look at the top and left) it was probably cropped as well.
It's entirely possible the color was edited by mistake (i.e. converted poorly) - IIRC the color profile on the tiff was not sRGB.
I always assumed this discussion was about exceedingly crass color shifts, the removal or creation of elements not in the original image, not some dodging and cropping.
I always thought it was selected because it references the curve and most of the colours of the old Windows logo.
https://www.cleanpng.com/png-windows-7-microsoft-clip-art-wi...
https://youtu.be/GfhdKyyGU74?is=WNUqPA5-ILDzBVji
On some level, they chose the real image that appeared to be a synthetic image.
I stumbled onto MSN for a story about Bears in a sanctuary who had overhead ropes (horizontally laid), and what a difference it had made.
Actually, I don't remember the story that well. What I do remember is that MSN story used a GEN AI image. Fake bears, fake rope. There, of course, are real photos available.
But MS want that automation, dont want to pay writers, or editors, and don't want to pay royalties or seek permission for photographs.
Is this OK for your kids?
ChatGPT:
“Microsoft paid photographer Charles O’Rear a confidential amount for the Windows XP wallpaper “Bliss,” but it is widely reported to have been in the “low six figures,” meaning over $100,000.”
Charles should have asked for MS stock instead.
“In 2005, Facebook offered David Choe about $60,000 to paint murals at its office. Instead of cash, he chose Facebook stock. When Meta Platforms went public in 2012, his shares were estimated to be worth around $200 million.”
> O'Rear made it available as a stock photo through Westlight, which was bought by Bill Gates' Corbis in May 1998.[36][43] The photograph was initially titled Bucolic Green Hills.[42][44] By the time of its acquisition, Westlight was estimated to have been one of the largest stock photo agencies in the United States. Corbis had previously hired O'Rear to photograph wine auctions in Burgundy in 1995,[45] and after the acquisition, they digitized Westlight's images.[36] Microsoft contacted O'Rear through Corbis in 2000, wanting to buy full rights to the photograph.[40]: 3:37, 3:50 [6] O'Rear had to personally deliver the film to Microsoft in Seattle due to delivery services declining because of its high value. The Napa Valley Register reported that O'Rear was paid "in the low six figures".[6][40]: 3:57 He had signed a confidentiality agreement and cannot disclose the exact amount.[2][46] Microsoft renamed the photograph to Bliss and chose it as the default wallpaper of Windows XP.[6][37]