Deep dive, for sure. I suspect Cliff Stoll is enjoying this site.
I played with creating a logarithmic slider thing [1] in Javascript that I hoped I could package up as a kind of "widget" people could use on their web pages. But I don't really know Javascript that well—or rather how to make an API out of a Javascript thing.
Anyway, to test it I tried to make an Ohm's Law calculator [2].
I would love to see a site like the one in this post have some kind of interactive slide rule on the web page itself.
I have one at home, which is the one we had to buy to use in highschool. In the math classrooms we had a 6 feet version that could be mounted on the blackboard such that the teacher could used for instruction. See for a picture on the Dutch page https://rekenlat.barneveld.com/rekenliniaal.htm
pinkmuffinere 34 minutes ago [-]
Wow that's fascinating! Crazy how things change, no wonder my grandma thinks math is black magic!
watersb 6 hours ago [-]
These TMSLs were also reasonably common in classrooms in the United States in the 1950s.
Two Meter Slide Rule
clickety_clack 7 hours ago [-]
Slide rules are super cool. Such an easy gift to give the engineer in your life.
I never spent the time to get quick with it, but I could absolutely see it being quicker than a calculator. You’d just have to be aware of the limits to its precision if you were in a field that required it.
deepspace 6 hours ago [-]
Quicker than an algebraic calculator, maybe, but very few people could get. faster with a slide rule than an ergonomic RPN calculator. like the HP 41 series. And I say that as an enthusiastic and experienced slide rule user, before I switched to a calculator.
One problem with a slide rule is that it only performs operations on normalized mantissas. You have to keep a parallel exponent calculation in your head, and that slows you down. Also, maintaining best precision slows you down.
litoE 3 hours ago [-]
When using a slide rule, keeping track of the number of digits to the left of the decimal point (DLDP) in the result is fairly simple if you know the basic rule:
For multiplication, the DLDP in the result is:
- the sum of the DLDPs of the multiplicands MINUS 1 if the multiplication is done with the slide sticking out to the right of the ruler's body (for example 2.0 x 3.0 = 6.0).
- the sum of the DLDPs of the multiplicands if the multiplication is done with the slide sticking out to the left of the ruler's body (for example 5.0 x 4.0 = 20.0).
There's a similar rule for division, but that's left as an exercise for the student.
ghaff 4 hours ago [-]
I used an HP-41CV for many years. I needed the financial calcs module which I used in place of the dedicated HP financial calculator in grad school. Eventually gav out on me but was a good calculator for a long time.
I did keep a slide rule as a backup for exams in college when calculators were still LED but never really used one after a couple of years in high school.
entaloneralie 4 hours ago [-]
I have a little collection of them.
I keep the small Hemmi bamboo on the navigation table at all time.
Last week I donated several slide rules to Goodwill; a few were very nice. Meanwhile, I still have a pristine HP-41cx and HP-15c, and an HP-25 app on my iPhone.
incanus77 6 hours ago [-]
I have an HP-15c as well as a 16c and I've been using the latter on a daily basis while writing a byte-level network protocol client. I'm getting faster by the day and on the verge of writing some programs for shortcuts on the calculator. I still use the excellent PCalc as well, but seem to be faster on the physical calculator, which is kind of surprising.
watersb 6 hours ago [-]
A sort of non-logarithmic slide rule, the E6B Flight Computer, was still in use when I was a student pilot 20 years ago. I still carry one: they don't require electricity (although using one in the dark requires a light source).
The main part of the E6B is a very standard logarithmic slide rule. Having it loop unto itself is a neat trick but very ancient.
But perhaps you were referring to one of the many other parts of the E6B which I am not familiar with.
inamberclad 5 hours ago [-]
For the past 10 years, I've worn a slide rule every day. It's a small circular one modeled after the E6B aviation slide rule, with markers for common aviation conversions.
gerdesj 7 hours ago [-]
It is worth keeping one around.
When the "cloud" is raining and your laptop and phone batteries are drained and you suddenly need to navigate your 4823 times table - its got you covered.
You will also need to work out how to write with a pen or pencil on paper or try and fix up your atrophied ability to remember arbitrary "facts" short term.
margalabargala 5 hours ago [-]
Honestly the scenarios where this becomes likely are dwindling with the advent of solar and batteries. Offline knowledgebases and the ability to use them long term are getting increasingly stable, and the likely low point in a societal collapse is probably getting high enough that a slide rule would not be necessary.
I have a Casio fx-991ES calculator, and twenty years later I have yet to need to replace the button cell in it thanks to the tiny solar cell.
egl2020 6 hours ago [-]
I still have the wooden 10" Keuffel and Esser that I inherited from my father and that I used in college. These days I use my HP15C unless I want to provoke glee and amusement in my younger colleagues by sporting my Pickett slide rule in my shirt pocket.
NetMageSCW 8 hours ago [-]
The HP-35 wasn’t programmable- it was just a scientific calculator.
kingforaday 8 hours ago [-]
This would have been helpful for Sam Cooke.
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This article: “lol, is that the depth of your commitment”
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYQdKbQ-sgM
"Professor Herning" (?) also has a good series of videos on the use of various scales as well:
* https://www.youtube.com/@ProfessorHerning/videos
His playlist starting at the beginning (C and D scales) with a Manheim layout:
* https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_qcL_RF-ZyvWJJkJOk_O...
* https://sliderulemuseum.com/Manuals/M37_Post_Manheim_Instruc...
Some manuals / books on slide rules:
* 1909: https://archive.org/details/mannheimsliderul00coxwrich
* 1922: https://archive.org/details/cu31924002978561/mode/2up
I played with creating a logarithmic slider thing [1] in Javascript that I hoped I could package up as a kind of "widget" people could use on their web pages. But I don't really know Javascript that well—or rather how to make an API out of a Javascript thing.
Anyway, to test it I tried to make an Ohm's Law calculator [2].
I would love to see a site like the one in this post have some kind of interactive slide rule on the web page itself.
[1] https://github.com/EngineersNeedArt/SlideRule
[2] https://www.engineersneedart.com/ohmslaw/index.html (the yellow slider is not directly user-moveable in this example)
Two Meter Slide Rule
I never spent the time to get quick with it, but I could absolutely see it being quicker than a calculator. You’d just have to be aware of the limits to its precision if you were in a field that required it.
One problem with a slide rule is that it only performs operations on normalized mantissas. You have to keep a parallel exponent calculation in your head, and that slows you down. Also, maintaining best precision slows you down.
For multiplication, the DLDP in the result is:
- the sum of the DLDPs of the multiplicands MINUS 1 if the multiplication is done with the slide sticking out to the right of the ruler's body (for example 2.0 x 3.0 = 6.0).
- the sum of the DLDPs of the multiplicands if the multiplication is done with the slide sticking out to the left of the ruler's body (for example 5.0 x 4.0 = 20.0).
There's a similar rule for division, but that's left as an exercise for the student.
I did keep a slide rule as a backup for exams in college when calculators were still LED but never really used one after a couple of years in high school.
https://wiki.xxiivv.com/site/slide_rule
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E6B
But perhaps you were referring to one of the many other parts of the E6B which I am not familiar with.
When the "cloud" is raining and your laptop and phone batteries are drained and you suddenly need to navigate your 4823 times table - its got you covered.
You will also need to work out how to write with a pen or pencil on paper or try and fix up your atrophied ability to remember arbitrary "facts" short term.
I have a Casio fx-991ES calculator, and twenty years later I have yet to need to replace the button cell in it thanks to the tiny solar cell.